Cultivating a Creative Money Mindset with Kelly Marshall

If you are ready to turn around your thinking when it comes to your life or business finances - today's episode is for you!

My bookkeeper and dear friend, Kelly is back to help us to elevate our money mindset and turn the often linear, complicated, emotional topic of money into one that empowers, uplifts and brings creativity into the conversation.  

Kelly is the founder of TerraCare Financial - a bookkeeping company that's helping conscious biz owners maximize revenue and impact.

Get ready to get creative with your finances and...

• distinguish between reality and thought-induced anxiety around money
• identify where you have power to shift your financial results
• discover the unexpected role creativity can play in promoting mental clarity, healing and turning on your "Money Faucet" to shape your financial future
• And, stay all the way to the end for a powerful visualization exercise!

Learn more about Kelly:

Check out Kelly's past episodes:
Empowered Spending with Kelly
Differently with Money

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:05

Hey, kelly Marshall. Welcome to Differently, welcome back to Differently. Thank you, I'm so happy to be here. Yes, I'm looking forward to this conversation and for listeners, you can go back. Kelly's been on a couple times and I'll put the links to those episodes in the show notes. So we're talking about money today, always a hot topic, I think, one of my favorite things to talk about, which I love, because that's not the case for everybody. I was just going to say it's not everybody's favorite thing, yeah, so what? Just curious, like what do you see showing up around money today, like recently with your clients, or is it always the same?

Speaker 2: 0:46

Well, it's always the same. I would say there were there were some times last year, maybe around this time of year, and I'm seeing it again this year where there's a little uncertainty happening, where people are reacting to news or you know, this is an interesting year this year in general in the United States and so there's some uncertainty and some fear and it shows up in our money, you know. It shows up in how I think. More often I see it in how people, from a business owner perspective, it's more often in how they're thinking about people buying from them than it is in their actual spending habits. I see it more in their anticipation of how a launch will go or how sales will go, and it's not always tied to reality. It's more tied to that fear and that emotion that's coming up around them. So we talk a lot about that and how that impacts things.

Speaker 1: 1:43

So we talk a lot about that and how that impacts things. Yeah, so what do you see like when you start to see those show up with your clients, like what are the, what are the indicators or what's the language that you recognize when someone's starting to sort of get sucked into that vortex? Right?

Speaker 2: 2:02

Yeah, I, I well, when I the language I think I am, when I recognize is they're like talking about things that they hear, or I heard this or so-and-so said this, and it's more about hearsay than it is about experience. You know, and so that's a big indication to me that this is worry and fear and not reality and evidence. You know, and if it were evidence, I mean we certainly know that there are changes that can happen in the economy and in our markets and people are in different industries and things like that. There are impacts that happen with those things. So if it's more of an evidence thing, then that's a different conversation.

Speaker 2: 2:40

But if it's still just showing up in the things you're hearing, then I want to get in touch with what's real, or how your thoughts are impacting that, or how those fears might show up then again in your thoughts and how you're acting. And so we work through those and get back in touch with more beneficial thoughts. Get back in touch with more beneficial thoughts we get, we get. We will reword those and rewrite those thoughts and beliefs so that we're acting from where we want to act from, not from fear. That came up because the news was on in the background last night. That's not going to serve us. So we're in so much more control of our own economies than we realize when it comes to a business owner and they're out there talking with customers and things like that, we've got to manage our thoughts around that. That was a heavy topic to start out. With my friend, we went right into it.

Speaker 1: 3:37

We just dove right in. Well, but I think it's good. I think what you just said Well, but I think it's good. I think what you just said, like we have more influence and control than we realize, how much? How much do you think that is? Like when you think of mindset and money, like how much does our mindset play a role?

Speaker 2: 3:57

95% yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:00

I mean, it's the same, and when I coach people right, it's like they're get focused on their circumstances. And when you get focused on your circumstances, you feel powerless, you feel you lose your energy, you lose your inspiration, you feel like you have no say or control. And then when you help someone shift back over to the things they do have control, right it like it changes the game. The things they do have control right it like it changes the game. So what does that look like?

Speaker 2: 4:33

Yeah, what does that look like with your clients? Sort of that, that shift I mean, it's exactly what you just said. You know when, when they're focused on those circumstances, if they're not exactly where they want to be, then that can just spiral them in, that that thought pattern of like everything you said about giving up their power, so and they can start to create an identity around that that struggling entrepreneur, that struggling artists, that struggling whatever they identify themselves. And so if they live in that identity and have that those thought patterns around that, they're not going to become the version of themselves that matches their vision and their dreams. And so we have to get them back in their own power and get them to be thinking different thoughts and taking on a different identity. And that's really all the mindset game, you know.

Speaker 2: 5:21

And the truth is like you know, you hear a lot about mindset and manifestation and things like that, and I believe in those things, but I also know that we don't get them just by thinking about them. We do take action, but we take action from that place of empowerment or from that place of disempowerment, and those you're going to get two very different results from those two places. So that's how I see it, and it's the exact same thing with money, with sales, with showing up in our businesses. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:50

How do you help someone Because I've seen that too. I've seen people who carry identities and myself I think we probably all have some sort of identity with money right, like some sort of relationship that we have when you're working with someone how do you help somebody free themselves of that struggling artist or struggling identity in their business? What does that look like?

Speaker 2: 6:14

There's a lot of different tools I'll use depending on the circumstance, but probably the one that jumped into my mind first was you know, somebody's got a situation that's repeating over and over and over and over. They're getting, they're having the same results, the same situation, same pattern that they can start to identify. I always this, like I always.

Speaker 2: 6:34

You know, never or I never yeah yeah, I never had, or I only ever have just enough. Or you know, I start to do well and things are going great and then something breaks, something in the house, something, and then I have no money again. You know, there's these things that you know they are saying that you can go back and see 10 versions of that story in their background and so we'll start to examine that. Like where, tell me about that? You know, what is? What is that underlying belief there? We might even look back to see where's the situation from. I mean, this is going to get real deep. But where's the situation from your childhood experience where maybe that became a learned agreement you made back in the day?

Speaker 2: 7:20

You know it happens a lot with women where you know they may have had their mother, might have been in a situation where she was taken care of by their father or disempowered about. I know this is a very specific, but it's the one that popped in my mind. She'll have some story, some experience with her mom where there was a disempowerment with money, or maybe it was a story from a grandparent, or you know, there's very various versions but they, they made a little agreement in that case. So if we stick with the one where you know, maybe mom was always taken care of and couldn't stand on her own two feet with money, or something like that. Then they start to repeat that and yet they don't want that at all, and so there's this real inner conflict there. But there was an agreement that they made as a little kid that women are taken care of by men or aren't good with money or whatever. Fill in the blank with what your experience or agreement was. So we really go back and try to work on that and this sounds like therapy, but it's really just a decision and then affirming know, affirming that decision to yourself every day, to rewire your thoughts around it, we just break that agreement and we forgive ourselves for making that agreement back when we were little kids.

Speaker 2: 8:33

That agreement served us at that time. It no longer serves us. We release that and we start to reaffirm a new belief around that, a new agreement. And that comes from, you know, journaling, power statements, affirmations, those types of things that might sound like woo-woo, but in reality we're rewiring our brain to take different action on that, to make different decisions, to have a new agreement. And that's where it all starts, because if we can't. If we keep wanting to do something different, we keep saying, today I'm going to approach this differently, and then we end up in the same situation again. We didn't go deep enough to rewire the thought, we just tried to rely on our willpower to get through it, and willpower isn't always sustainable. We have to really kind of go back to the root, pull out that weed or whatever and plant a new thought, plant a new seed and move forward from there. And it doesn't just happen once. We have to keep taking care of that, nurturing it and getting that new thought, belief, affirmation to grow.

Speaker 1: 9:37

That's a practice, for sure, but it's so true. You think about like in those situations we feel powerless, right? But when you think about it, our mind has so much incredible power and if we continue to affirm those thoughts, we literally sort of create this self-fulfilling prophecy of not having enough. That's so much power and so if you can leverage that, like you're teaching people and I'm teaching people leverage that like your thinking is something you always have control over, and if you can start to just turn the ship on your thinking, just ever so slightly, ever so slightly, it starts to change your results in a really powerful way.

Speaker 2: 10:18

A hundred percent.

Speaker 1: 10:20

So, as entrepreneurs, how can we, kind of, given the context of what we're talking about, how can we begin to be more creative in the way that we think about money, how can we be more creative in the way that we approach and manage our money and handle it and just really be good stewards of it right in our businesses and beyond that really be good?

Speaker 2: 10:48

stewards of it right In our businesses and beyond. That it's funny. You know, when we discussed having this session. You know, one of our goals is to talk about creativity and ways to do something different, and my brain I've started to add so much creativity back into my life, um, so I'm going to take this a little different way and then I'll go back to the your direct question.

Speaker 1: 11:11

but that's good. That makes me so happy that you're doing that that I'm handling the question creatively.

Speaker 2: 11:18

Um so, so you know, as an, I'm an accountant, a bookkeeper. That's my schooling, that's my background, that's what I did in corporate for years and it's a very linear world and it's very black and white, linear. The answers are right or wrong. There's maybe a little gray area with some tax questions and things, but it's a black and white world, linear world, and that can cause a lot of limitations in our thinking. It can result in a lot of stagnation, I would even say in our bodies and in our brains and in our work, and it's not very healing at all times.

Speaker 2: 11:55

There's something I like about my linear work. There's times where that's exactly the thing I need. It feels good in my brain, it's like it's scratching an itch in my brain. But more often than not I'm craving the creative side, because I don't have that a lot and if you, I think there's a lot of careers where people would say that, like, on a daily basis, they don't have a lot of opportunity for real creativity, which might be even just coloring a book, like you think back to, like as a childhood, like kids could color for hours and hours and hours, and so as an adult, I would have these moments where I would get creative and then, kind of, as time allowed, it was more like an afterthought I would go take a class or I'd go do a little thing and as an entrepreneur, my need for that has really increased. And and now it's gotten to where, like, it's such a thing for me, it's such an important part of my life that it's starting to bleed into my work. And now I'm starting to use that as a tool for people, as a way to share, an opportunity to have a different thought.

Speaker 2: 13:01

And the thing is, when we're working on this kind of thing, like I could say to you what's a belief? We could talk about a belief that's not serving you. Like you know, money is the root of all evil, or some really hard to make money. And then we could try to think through a way to rewire that. And you're going to get a surface answer that you know, especially that first one off the bat. You're going to get a surface answer. It's going to be the thing you know, you're supposed to say you know, and that's not necessarily going to serve, but if we can find a way to get you to look at it in a creative way and you can see that you can. You can understand more, and I'll give an example from the story. I just told that I had no intention of setting this up. In that way you can have more of a a perception of what we're talking about and therefore that thought can come from a different pattern.

Speaker 2: 13:48

You're in a creative place, even if you're just giving yourself some time to color something or let's say, I set up an exercise and there are things on a page to color and then there's things to fill out. By accessing that part of your brain that like coloring things in and then going and answering the question, you have access to a whole different part of your brain that like coloring things in and then going and answering the question. You have access to a whole different part of your brain that you weren't activating before you started doing that coloring. So it's just from a creativity specific I know that's not even the question you necessarily asked but from a creative place in general. It gives us so much access to parts of our brain and our subconscious and just this little magical place where you can come up with really deep, meaningful, true things to you that you didn't have access to when you were just thinking with your surface brain in that linear place. Does that make any sense? My brain it made sense, but it makes total sense.

Speaker 1: 14:46

And what made me so happy is not that you were handling the question creatively, but that too but that you are bringing creativity into your business, because when you and I took that visual journaling class I don't even know that was quite a while ago now I saw you light up around that and I experienced what you were just talking about, because my brain, like learned how to rest through drawing and coloring and even watching her color, you know, on the screen. I just felt my brain rest. And I think that's what you're saying is when we let our brain rest and it's not just in hyper thinking all the time that we can access new information, fresh ideas, creative ideas, and I've experienced that too. And sometimes it's hard to stop or step away as busy entrepreneurs to do that thing, because it feels like we have too much to do and we don't have time right to do that. But it's the very thing that can, like turn everything around or turn something hard into way more ease, and I've experienced that too.

Speaker 2: 16:01

yeah, I love that. Um, yeah, go ahead. There was something that popped into my head when you were talking. It's just like another tool in our toolbox, like there's. You know, we all know and we hear about how meditation is good for us. It gives us a chance to slow our mind Again. It's another way to access things that are just not present in your active, busy brain, that are there when you give it a chance to be quiet. It's good for our stress levels, things brain that are there when you give it a chance to be quiet. It's good for stress levels, things like that.

Speaker 2: 16:28

The same thing with journaling. That's a tool that you use. That's a beautiful tool and gives you a chance to kind of get out those surface thoughts and take. It's again the same kind of thing. It's space, it's accessing a different part of your brain. You know all the benefits of that and the art is just another one. It's just another version of that and for me, most often it's the best one, because if I'm not in a place yet where I can quiet, I can go sit and quiet. Or you know, I'm just I resist journaling a little bit more than I do the art. Then I'm not. I just can't go do those things. Sometimes I just need to sit down and do. I've got these diamond art kits where you're just literally putting little pieces of plastic and sticking them on this picture. I'm not, I'm not creating, you know, great art, but it's meditative for me and it quiets my brain and it just relaxes me, and so I just want people to recognize that as another tool, like those things, and the important thing is we're doing something all the you know on a consistent basis to practice this, quieting our mind and lowering our blood pressure and accessing a different part of our brain. It's real healing. Music, you know music's another one. All of these different forms of creativity and art and quieting and mindfulness. They all give us so many healing benefits and, I think, really creative opportunity to find new ideas and get out of stuck thinking and listen to the answers that are deep inside of you, like there's so many little wonderful things that can come out of it.

Speaker 2: 18:04

Can I reference back to that little piece I was talking about in the story, the visual piece that came to mind. So I talked, I mentioned it, I talked about finding it at the root and pulling out the weed, and you know those types of visual communication. So if we take that analogy a little deeper and we think about this negative thought is like a weed growing in what we want to be a beautiful garden and we think about how we have to. You know, it's springtime in Buffalo. Everything's dormant. I got leaves in my garden right now. I got to go rake off the leaves and pull out the weeds and take care of the soil and plant a new seed.

Speaker 2: 18:37

That is such a great analogy for what we're doing in this changing our thoughts exercise that we talked about earlier. We go in, we pull out the weed, that negative thought, we plant a new seed for a new thought and then we have to keep nurturing it. We can't just plant that seed and leave it. We might get a, something might bloom there, but it's not going to be what it would be if we nurtured it and watered it and took care of it.

Speaker 2: 19:02

We can't go dig it up and see like why don I have the results yet?

Speaker 2: 19:05

Where's the bloom, where's the flower?

Speaker 2: 19:07

We can't go dig it out because if we do that, we disturb it, we ruin it, and so we have to be patient and kind of wait for that flower to bloom or the vegetable to grow and and be able to pick it.

Speaker 2: 19:18

You know we have to wait for that time to harvest it, and so letting that analogy be like the point of me sharing that is so that people remember that, so that you think about that, like it just gives you an additional awareness like, oh, there's a weed, I got to go pull it out and I'm going to go plant a new seed in there. You know, that's a visual representation of what we're doing there. That might stick with you better than just understanding oh, I have a negative thought and I need to replace it, you know than just understanding oh, I have a negative thought and I need to replace it, you know. So that's another way that being creative about it and creating a visual connection to that and adding that to the story can be powerful as a tool to use to create awareness around this and do this practice yourself.

Speaker 1: 20:08

I like that so much. I um, you know a lot of times with my clients that they start freaking out about their business or revenue or um, you know, whatever it is, and often I'm reminding them of the seeds that they have planted right Like. Sometimes it's like we start. You know, I've been in the same boat. You start to freak out like, oh my gosh, I haven't had a new client, or I need more revenue this month.

Speaker 1: 20:25

Nothing's working and you feel like, oh my gosh, I just maybe, I just have to throw in the towel, it's just going to. This is the end.

Speaker 2: 20:32

So then, you go till that garden, rip up the seed, put in a new one, and then you have to wait.

Speaker 1: 20:39

Exactly, and so just trusting that you've planted the seeds and now what can you do to water? What does watering look like? Right, what can that look like? What can fertilizer look like? All those things sunlight? So I love the visual of that, yeah. So, in the spirit of kind of calming that part of us that gets anxious and nervous around money in our business, I know you have a favorite tool that you like to use, and so I'd love for you to share that.

Speaker 2: 21:12

It does look like we really planned that last one because we were talking about watering and my tool is called the money faucet and this came, this one. You know I've heard the garden one before, but the money faucet was one that just kind of was born out of a customer, a client coaching call one day. And you know, we hear about being in the flow, like in the flow with money. When you hear the word abundance, a lot of times it comes with flow and your money likes to be in flow. And so I often think of money as movement, as flow, and there are even times where you can think of where you've just been in the flow with money, money's coming in. You know, maybe you're even getting surprised. I've had times where, like you get one surprising check and like you're so excited and then a couple more come in, like that's just me in the flow. So I've always thought, where you get one surprising check and you're so excited and then a couple more come in, that's just me in the flow. So I've always thought of money that way. But there are times where there is no flow, there's not even a trickle. So I started to imagine it that way your money was in flow, but it was coming through a spigot, let's say where your hose attaches to outside the house kind of a thing. And in this client I said you've got your money faucet turned off. And this became the birth of this visualization and we started to talk about like what are ways? So if if you accept those thoughts so far like money's in flow we have a money faucet, what are ways that we could turn off our money faucet? We talked about that digging up the seed and kind of redoing something new, like not giving it enough time to to blossom and bloom, and those kinds of things.

Speaker 2: 22:58

If we use that in this analogy, like we something, somebody makes a negative comment on a social media post so you get scared and don't want to be visible anymore. Or you lose a client that you know, for whatever reason and that feels like it's not working. Nobody wants to do this. You know that kind of thing. Maybe for some people that have a team, you lose an important team member. That can be really jarring and scary.

Speaker 2: 23:20

Or you launch something new and it didn't get the results you want. The first time you went out the gate with it, launched something new and it didn't get the results you want. The first time you went out the gate with it, um, on and on and on, we can think of these things that might cause us to kind of constrict and turn off the money faucet. Um, yeah, some belief, maybe things are going really well. And it kind of freaks you out a little bit in that way and you're like, oh, I can't handle this, and you turn off your money faucet.

Speaker 2: 23:45

Or for me, you know, I would have times where things were going good and I would have you know, maybe I think it was, um, typically four seemed to be my number I'd get four new bookkeeping clients in a month and I'd be like, oh, my God, I gotta get all these people on boarded and too much, too much, turn off the money faucet. And it was literally that, that dramatic for me, where I'd be like I'm in flow, I'm calling in the clients, I'm doing the work, they come in, and then it would freak me out because I'd be busy and I turn off the money faucet. And then to to get that going again when I was ready for it and I'd go look and expect the faucet to be on and it's not on, I'd have to turn it back on and go out and start over, and so you can probably come up with ways.

Speaker 2: 24:28

You know somebody was to sit down, I would. I used to do this. I haven't done it in a little bit. We're going to bring back the money faucet, but where we would literally draw the money like a little spigot on a piece of paper. Get in that creative place, allow yourself just, and it doesn't have to look good and it can be on pen with a line, okay yeah, you do not need to draw one, and I'm like this looks terrible, that's perfect, perfect it does not.

Speaker 2: 24:50

None of this has to look good, but just that that act of drawing that out access is a different part of your brain. Put a little spigot on it, maybe draw some little arrows, if that feels good, some um, but don't put any water running out of it and go write on one side of the page all the ways that you could turn off your money faucet. So do anything. Does any? Do any come to mind for you, carla, that I didn't say?

Speaker 1: 25:15

Gosh, yeah, I think. Just I mean thinking back to when I was had my boys were younger. You know, it's like if there was anything around motherhood or I wasn't going to be available, or like I always sort of I thought of it as having my foot over the gas or the brake pedal. But it's the same thing Like, oh nope, I need to be make sure I'm available as a mom and I don't want to get too busy, and so totally would turn it off. Yeah, you totally would turn it off.

Speaker 2: 25:39

Yeah, you just reminded me too. I've seen it where people are like, well, it's not working, so I'm going to go build my website and I'm going to go do this thing and I'm going to go do this. None of that, turning their money faucet on. It was all stuff that, like you know, turn that off.

Speaker 1: 25:56

I'm not available for business and they went and got busy doing those things instead of having that money faucet turned on, or even, like you know, like having having, there've been times in my life where it's like I have so much to be grateful for Like how could I want more? You know like feeling like guilt or shame around money.

Speaker 2: 26:15

Yeah, yeah, who am I to fill in the blank Whatever comes up? Yeah, okay, I love that. So then, just just like you could come up with that list of things on that side, what could be some things that can turn on the money faucet we could do? You know, somebody could go have a connection with another entrepreneur and talk about some of these things out loud, right? Or they could go, bravely, be visible in on their Instagram page and do a reel, which is something that I'm challenging myself to turn my money faucet on in that way. You know, they can go get visible in that way.

Speaker 1: 26:55

They can do a podcast.

Speaker 1: 26:56

Doing a podcast, yes, Um, remembering my vision and that my the impact that my program has. Right Cause, sometimes you get in fear and it's like you forget all. You forget all the good stuff, all the things that have worked over the years, so like collecting evidence of how it has worked in the past or how things have flowed in the past, or you could even keep a list of those things and go read that when things, when you feel like your money faucets off, go remind yourself of the impact that you have on people you work with Right.

Speaker 1: 27:30

Yes, sometimes when I would feel constricted around money, I would give away money to try to open the faucet, so I didn't feel like I had to hold and clench tightly.

Speaker 2: 27:45

Yeah, that's right back into flow. Put yourself into flow, go, give away some money yeah, I love that. So there's so many other ways that people can open up their faucet and that's going to be very individual to each person. So on the right-hand side, you can put all the ways that you want to, or on the other side to me it's left and right put all the ways that you can turn your money faucet back on and even the benefits, like get into why you want to. You know, put some of that on there. That's a great reminder too.

Speaker 2: 28:17

This isn't just about you and your individual goals. It's so much more and it's not even well. If we get down to it, it's not really about the money at all, is it? But it's about what money can provide for us and help us provide for others, and so go deep into that stuff and you and that's the stuff too like by coloring in the faucet or drawing it out or, you know, doing little doodles like that gives your brain access to like, oh, whoa, this isn't even about this. This is about, you know, time with my kids and freedom and experiences and opportunities and options and ways I can help people and you know you can really get into the good stuff, then you're ready to turn that on full blast, right.

Speaker 1: 28:59

Yes, my brain is going. Yes, my brain is just going. I'm just well and I'm also thinking how energetically we close off all kinds of things in our life right, not just money, but love or time. Right Time can be a whole nother one. But I guess on the right side, where we're talking about now, it's like receiving right. That's something that I've had to work on in my life, that for a long time. Around money, I was playing like a gatekeeper, like I could allow this stuff in, but oh no, that's too much, that's too much of a gift. I can't accept that, and so really had to work on just energetically opening myself up to be able to receive more good, more flow in my life.

Speaker 2: 29:46

Yeah, and that there probably was a little agreement from when you were a little girl that it was not okay to be like that. Or you might look greedy or you might. You know that's too much, or you're shining too bright and you're going to. You know all those little things. Your story would be individual, but there's one or a few of those that would have been a part of that. So it was an opportunity to pull that weed and plant a new seed and then water it.

Speaker 1: 30:14

Yeah, for sure, A hundred percent. I. This is so great. I know listeners are going to love this. Is there anything else Before we wrap? Kelly, we might actually wrap this On time, yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:30

I would just say just play with it. You don't have to believe you know everything I said. You don't have to make it a big deal. You could go print out you know a kid's coloring page. You could go grab an old coloring book and do that. You could just find a way that gives your brain some space and try it out and see if it's a tool for you that you want to use instead of some of the other ones, and make time for it. It is always worth the time. It's like a gift to yourself that will create access to brand new big ideas and things like that that you're not accessing otherwise. So it might feel like a waste and a busy day. I promise you you'll get a gift out of it, so give it a shot.

Speaker 1: 31:18

Yes, From where we started to where we are now I feel. I feel the spaciousness just in this conversation and, Kelly, this would be a really fun workshop. So we're going to continue that conversation, but maybe we'll be inviting you soon to join us to actually do this live. That would be really fun.

Speaker 2: 31:40

And journaling combo workshop. That'll be good.

Speaker 1: 31:43

Yes, yes, kelly, thank you so much for your time and sharing your wisdom, and I love this creativity and money combo. It's it, just it makes it a lot more fun.

Speaker 2: 31:55

Thank you. Yeah, me too I agree.

Speaker 1: 31:58

Have an amazing abundant day everybody.